This year marks 10 years since the singer Zemfira. In April this case coincide with a big concert in Moscow, and this week released a documentary film about Zemfira, shot by Renata Litvinova. Incidentally, the first capital publication about Zemfira - in 1998 - was published in "the light", but an interview with the singer for our magazine has never been given. On the eve of the anniversary of the "Spark" has decided to fix this mistake
For the last two years you have not appeared in any TV show, never sang on TV and even on skates do not have a ride. Although it is now believed that without a TV actor is dead. This is a conscious strategy or are you just such a personal rejection experience?
"Why "or"? My strategy and my personal attitude are the same. It is one and the same. There is no opposition.
Is happiness. This today can afford to say in Russia, half man.
Of course, I in a sense idealist and suggest that if a person writes good songs, that's enough. This, of course, the question of how I will have enough strength and patience in this regard. Still missing. But imagine a situation where desperate from the lack of interest I will go to the TV. But to renounce would not like. But you are right-it is the unspoken protest. Yes, I realize that TV today dictates the rules of the game. But don't understand why I have to skate, if I do music? To go to the rink, so that more people came to listen to my songs, it seems to me meaningless. Prostitution in some sense.
"It seems to me that you are in some sense and broke these rules. Showed that in Russia it is possible and IN ANOTHER way: to sing, to live. Will Russia's alternative culture, with their labels, clubs, heroes, with their perceptions of the cultural norm?
Yes it already exists. I don't know, will tell you what the names of the groups-by the way, I also say little-"Psyche", "Amature", "Seventh race", but as I sit in the Internet, I see a huge number of fan sites awards some awards of its own hand. Its audience is already a new generation that does not watch TV, contemptuously refers to the so-called official culture. They have enough of their own.
But while the monopoly-official pop culture. There is a huge culture named Pugachev, which branches out, cloned, and so forth. Culture is, relatively speaking, on behalf Petrosyan. The question is how this culture to resist?
First of all no need to resist it. I think the most productive to ignore. For me, for example, singer Pugacheva does not exist. I've never heard it live. I haven't listened to in my childhood her album. I'm not lying, I do it all did not touch all these songs like "Arlekino" or "iceberg".
Now these songs are returned as is, by the way, and everything under the trademark "made in USSR": movies, transmission. Is glamorization scoop, with emphasis on how there was very warm and comfortable. And the lack of creative freedom as if not already discussed, it is anything important. This is a demonstration of freedom for the Russian artist has never been a fundamental value.
You need to look truth in the face. The culture of the Soviet times-she left a great baggage? There were good songs? Actors? Of course, the left, of course, were. Why do we return to them? Because, probably nothing equal in talent over the past ten to fifteen years has not been created.
Because in the country today, there are three popular composer Matvienko, Meladze, well, let's say, Victor Drobysh. Well, still Fadeev. They are all interchangeable. And these three and a half composer serve hundreds of artists. There is a diversity of composers, oddly enough, even less than in the USSR. One hundred first song to write, own judge, much harder than the first. And they have to write for so many artists that they do not avoid the repetition. And good luck, bright melodies less and less. Old songs on retention, warmth and melodiousness win these. Do you think that is the idealization of the time? Or maybe it's just normal nostalgia-material?
"But we live in another time, in another country. Each time should be their song, isn't it? In 1990-ies appeared Lagutenko, Zemfira, Cords, which described his time. And for the last eight years of the new stars of this all-Russian scale has not appeared. No. Only the "Factory of stars".
Here there is a paradox. In fact, to a large extent, for example, my appearance, and to a great extent to the emergence of "factory of stars" had a hand one and the same person-Konstantin Ernst. In this example, it's fun to see the transformation of his tastes. In the 90-ies and in the present time. And that's all. Because I remember our first encounter with the Bones, with some genuine enthusiasm he studied me, the other he loved it. The same Ernst planted in the 2000s, seven editions of "idol".
- Your social songs that sharply distinguishes you from other artists. So the new album has a strange phrase in the song "gentlemen": "gentlemen, you've got the enemy crazy your prayers". It's about the sentiment in the business community? The paradoxical situation that happened today: when the more money you got, the less confidence in the future?
- I would not like to specify, it is quite universal song. The situation that describes this song can be linked with business and personal relationships, and with the state-no matter. As for sociality, then it's fine: I'm a real person, I'm not in a hole live, not in the castle. I deal daily with shop assistants, drivers, waiters, with journalists. The sociality of the song I see as a compliment. This means that I correctly guessed, correctly respond, accurate in their observations.
- With journalists is clear. But, for example, the shop assistants, waiters, from communicating with them you will learn something new about the world? Unexpectedly because sometimes get more food for emotions, observations than from predictable communication.
"I do not assume in advance that can come from this or that meeting. I like flight attendants. I love to communicate with nurses. I don't know why-with Junior medical staff, I immediately found a common language. I even nicer and easier to communicate with people simple. I like to show them that we are the same, to demonstrate their interest.
"Maybe it's because they are less hypocrisy, more truthful?
- Yes, they are unlike public people less selfish.
- The cord was told that the entrance he lived a nice bum, which he adopted many things for his artistic style.
- This statement does not paint the Cord. The music I still prefer to learn from musicians. And no bum will not affect my tastes, as influenced by the Beatles. Well, okay: maybe I'm just not able to see, do not know how to learn from other people's manners... I Have also lived in the entrance bum: he came on my soul from Ukraine. And I lived between the 6th and 7th floor. Rang the doorbell three night, woke the neighbors, those called the police. The police had taken him away, he shouted: "I am a creative person from Ukraine, came to the singer Zemfira! " Because it spoiled my relationship with neighbors. I don't like it.
- You don't want to know the neighbors? So they didn't notice you, Yes?
- No. I would like them not to interfere. I consider myself to be a good neighbor, I live fairly quiet. If I need to make music, I'm going to soundproof the room. I do not like to burden people, to cause them inconvenience. In this case, the irritation was due to the fact that the homeless have set up the neighbors against me-I don't particularly hurt. Part of the meeting with such types, even fine: another experience, another life.
The so - called "normal people" are now almost devoid of personal property, all generated by TV and advertising. But the dregs of society so interesting that they are not spoiled by this depersonalization. I think in this environment today, you can find some depth...
- Of course. Even if we'll go in the trash, will definitely meet people there more whole, these biographies, crazy. In contrast, the celebrities in magazines, with invented stories. But in order to understand this, you don't need to read magazines or go on the garbage-it's obvious. (In the café noise any device.)
We are right next to the juicer sat...
"That's nothing. Usually in a cafe thunders still some music is angry much stronger. Not the music itself, but the volume level. It's just Moscow disaster...
I just drove across the country, there the situation is even worse. Music in cafes, hotels, elevators. It is outrageous, deafening volume. To hear each other only if the so - SCREAMING-AND-AMB, then Boo-dem-each-other-hear-hear!!! But still does not talk-the volume does not give you focus, thoughts of escape. It seems to me that thus the periphery just cut down, so they thought. And mostly plays... well... a complete slag.
There is a philosophical explanation for this: modern humans are more afraid of silence. Wyroby suddenly this sound background everywhere in the city - and people suddenly find yourself in a total void, a complete nullity. In fact, he will disappear as a person.
- Yes-Yes-Yes, it's a phobia such. Social disease. We just discussed it with the guys from. Initially we this noise is perceived as a slight obsession, joked: rattles from everywhere, strange songs, singer-from an artistic point of view, full g... By the end of the second week I started bouts of aggression, because I could no longer stand it. I returned to Moscow, I bought the iPod to get away from this noise. I think here the focus is this: there is a lot of, on the one hand, and on the other, we become more and more lonely. Hence all kinds of sites like Classmates.Roux, who maintain the illusion of communication, community... the same illusion and supports music: here it resounds as if life goes on, high speed, large volume-everything seems to be OK, Yes? Or here's a talk show. Now invite to the Studio eighty-four of the guest, the same number of viewers. All it swells, swells, this polyphony is supported, yet at the core of these talk shows is a dialogue between two people. The most natural and perfect form of communication.
- You have a new song from the already dispersed to quote the refrain, "the music died". It's actually not about music, but about what is called the situation "postculture": when a person has a little bit of creative no moral or material forces to create a new, just physical energy, drive. Judge for yourself: for example, I no longer need any music, and before that to live without her I could not.
I would disagree with you. I continue to feel the need for good music, melodies, whatever I am able. Melodies were and will be new. They appear for five or six centuries... Well, let's say, Bach all this systematized, but Bach also had music. Just was not recorded.
- Psychologists say that Bach and Mozart are able to understand, perceive only people living in harmony with yourself. You for example, you know, roughly speaking, THAN Bach? What about Mozart?
- What does "understand"?.. This word and if applicable, only to Bach. Bach is the brains. Bach is for the head. He systematized the music, wrote the primer. Two and a half centuries the people of this primer read. And Mozart was almost an idiot in the sense of the head, but a genius. Mozart is just no brain. Musical thought it expresses is so simple and exactly what you have tears begin to flow. As a child I did not like Mozart, because it seemed to me that it is so simple that any longer. Then grew up and realized that... Mozart to understand is not necessary.
"I don Bach, for example, do not understand. Don't understand why we need it?
- Yes, you are lucky. Understand fifty years Bach-how much joy will be.
"What are you reading?
- I'm terrible disorder about literature, read less than 10 years ago. Force myself to read, usually on tour. Here recently flew to Israel, was chosen between by Sergei Dovlatov and Gogol. Guess what he chose?
- Dovlatov.
- Gogol. The collection consisted of half critical notes contemporaries. After the premiere of "Auditor" was a success, and Gogol interpreted it as a failure. Classics to read, Yes. And when you try to delve into modern literature, I am waiting for the ambush. I don't navigate the authors, and so many of them... Earlier books had to run, inevitably felt their value, these subscriptions, the collected works of Mayakovsky got rejoice.
And Bulat Okudzhava and Vysotsky had an influence on you?
No. The house would not listen. We are all dependent on the environment. And my parents are nationals. Mom still goes to concerts Tatar music once a week. And the father can walk to any concerts. And the older brother was listening to Black Sabbath, AC/DC, Led Zeppelin... I didn't Have the chance to hear Vysotsky in childhood. When I began to choose, chose Aguzarova, Russian rock. I was their perfect client. We had in Ufa rock club, went to all the concerts. Went to the Leningrad rock club, Rubinstein, 13.
- If people are freer in recent years, in your opinion?
I would not say that freer. Probably more secure-we can talk about it. But the security and freedom-different feeling. On the contrary: the government has strengthened its position of freedom in a broad sense is becoming less.
- Agree, this generation, on the one hand, increased by your loving songs, but it turned out to be very apolitical, and therefore helpless in dealing with life. I'm about 20 years.
- I have two nephews, im 18 years old. I can talk on this subject.
They are not apolitical-they are just infantile. One sticks out in online toy played with 8 million people around the world. Very often lives in a virtual world: just that in real failed escapes there. Wants to leave Russia, it is interesting to him. "What do you want to be? "I want to play guitar". Goals have a clear no in life. I don't know what caused that. Complex generation. A house divided against itself. I understand them, but I can't yet understand.
- Do you personally the concept of "freedom" associated with? A real sensation? The way of freedom?
- Image? Most likely not with freedom and limit its due. Image watchman, because I'll never go won't let you in. All admit, and I do not. With the guards, watchmen my eternal conflict. For me these people are a symbol of freedom.
Class hatred?
- Does not inspire confidence. Subconsciously, even before any words. Maybe it's me they see this. And I, in turn. At eye level. Something in this.
Author:
Arkhangelsk A.
Source:
Spark
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